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Post by BubbaCarrFan on Jun 13, 2005 17:04:29 GMT -5
Michael Jackaon has been found not guilty.What you think?
I feel that he is so guilty..He is an adult and adults shouldn't sleep in the same bed as children even if nothing bad goes on.He should be stop!
Michael is a 40 something year old man who sleeps with little boys and acts like a child.He needs help.
Bubba Carr's #1 Fan & Always, Jennifer BCFC owner
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Post by Jan on Jun 13, 2005 17:16:21 GMT -5
I am one of the few that was happy w/the verdict and one of the very few who thinks he's innocent I think the family against him just was out for his money..the only thing I thought was real dumb was when he paid off a few yrs back..cos ANY normal person whether rich or not..IF innocent would NOT pay...but due to his personality I think he didn't want the bother and he's rich and that's why he paid..I dunno saw Jackson 3X live here in NY and one show they showed clips of all the endless charity work he's done..I just don't see him actually HARMING A CHILD..no way jose..is he wierd? is he doing things he should NOT be doing? SURE! He's nuts..but he's very talented and I think the parent of that child turned her story round and round to so many different versions and the jury saw that..He should def. change his ways thats for sure..but guilty? No way!...He does way to much for sickly children and has raised gabillions for charity to ever harm a child..I know I am in minority here just how I feel..
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Post by Harmony86 on Jun 14, 2005 12:15:01 GMT -5
I have to say that I totally agree with Jan on this one.
Sure, he is odd and he has made mistakes in the past, but that does not in any way, shape, or form make him a child molester. Let's face it...some of the nicest looking people have been found guilty (with tons of evidence to find them guilty) of things such as molestation, rape, etc. so you cannot find someone guilty based on what they look like. Just because most people think Michael looks "weird" does not make him a bad person.
I think after the frist time he was accused, he should have stopped letting children sleeping in his bed, etc. but then again....I have to ask the question as to where the parents were and what they were thinking?!? I truly think he doesn't (or didn't) see the harm in letting children sleep in his bed like the majority of people do.
Just my thoughts...
Julie
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Post by CherestFan on Jun 14, 2005 15:23:29 GMT -5
I agree with Jan and Julie. I think Michael has made some really bad decisions but wasn't guilty of what he was actually being accused of. Seems like a lot of people were really quick to decide he was guilty, i dunno....
-Colby
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Post by Jan on Jun 14, 2005 17:20:54 GMT -5
Thx Colby and Julie cos I got MEGA heat at work today about it and my feelings..Noone ever agrees w/me there..my family all thought he was guilty too..geesh..I get all the crap on cher now this..grrrrrrrrrr...then I got the mega jokes at work..If janet was at Cher's trial she'd released 2 flocks of doves! U BET I WOULD!!!!!!!!! LOL..They've been playing Michael's music again a lot..good stuff man..love his thriller songs..really good..like a lot of his stuff actually..esp the older stuff and the Jacksons Live cd..I still think he's real talented..I heard today a real oldie I used to love in my old dancing in NY days..remember Walk Right Now..god I was bopping in the car on the way to work..used to lovvvvve that song! I agree he def needs help no doubt and yea he looks terrible..but a convicted criminal..hell no! INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY
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Post by Lisa on Jun 14, 2005 21:48:52 GMT -5
Well I have to disagree.. Why would you give kids alcohol in bed with you, shouldn't even have kids in the bed with him, disgusting, he should have gotten something for that.. What if the charities is all a cover up for his actions? I know I wouldn't trust him at all and Cher was a good friend of his and she don't even like him anymore and she's a smart lady!!! I liked him doing the Thriller album but have lost respect for him now, no more for me.. JMO
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Post by ReachTheStars on Jun 15, 2005 0:49:55 GMT -5
That's cuz SHE KNOWS da truth!! ugh...I was so ticked off yesterday after hearing the verdict!! I called Sheri and didn't even say "hi"..I just yelled NOT F'n GUILTY!! We all knew it was going to happen that way...I just couldn't believe it happened AGAIN Guys!! AGAIN!! Did you see the cars all in a row...cruisin' down the highway..I'm like OH BROTHER..ANOTHER OJ RUN!!
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Post by Jan on Jun 15, 2005 5:46:03 GMT -5
His charities are def not a cover up..he is RICH they just want his MONEY the jury even said on Today show how the mother turned her story around a kabillion times..Ppl just badmouthed him and tried to frame him..he's a father! Harm a child? never..Ppl go by way he looks and tried to make him look like crap..OJ was another whole entire story..HE was guilty and jurors later on that case said they wished they were NOT sequestered cos they realized later they had made a big mistake
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Post by BubbaCarrFan on Jun 15, 2005 7:14:03 GMT -5
Yes,he was found not guilty on this case but that doesn't mean he hasn't in the past.
Why would an adult want a child in their bed in the first place?
Bubba Carr's #1 Fan & Always, Jennifer BCFC owner
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Post by Debelieves on Jun 15, 2005 7:19:36 GMT -5
I so badly wanted to stay away from this thread. As weird as any celebrity may be (or anybody else, for that matter), no one should be jailed for simply living their lives "outside the box." Yes, the family that took him to court is definitely not what you would call "upstanding," and it seems to me they were in it for the money, I won't argue that either, but there were so many eye witnesses to so many of the things that happened, are they all liars? Given MJ's lack of a normal childhood, I can understand, to a degree, that his "reality" is not what yours or mine might be, but he's not a child any more and he's old enough to be able to look around him and see what the world is really like. I just think the defense lawyers did a much better job than the prosecutors, and I think some of his rationale is dangerously unhealthy - for himself and (some) others.
I hope it's OK to disagree a little bit with my friends here....Michael has absolutely done many, many wonderful things to help children and adults all over the world, and I have no doubt that he loves children. He's a great entertainer and artist, but just because someone is a parent is no guarantee that person will be a good parent, the newspapers are full of such stories every day. Do I think he intentionally set out to harm any child? Does any parent? Absolutely not, but, again, given the way in which he had to grow up and the things he was exposed to and went through then have affected him drastically. So much of his life has been "filtered," do you know what I mean? How could all of that NOT affect his sense of what's appropriate and what's not?
But the issue for the jury was wether or not something did happen, and they have made their decision, although I think it's interesting that a few of them say they think he is definitely not innocent but couldn't render that verdict based on the law. I think things did happen at Neverland that never should have happened in the first place. Sadly, this particular child's family does have a history of trying to extort money, and IF any of these abuse allegations are true, think about that. How sad is that?
Julie, I agree with you 100% - Parental responsibility slipped right under the radar on this one all the way around. Don't even get me started on that one, I just can't type fast enough!
I hope I haven't offended anyone here with my opinion. Guilty or innocent, fame and money aside, the Michael Jackson story has become a sad one.
Debbie
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Post by Lisa on Jun 15, 2005 10:57:55 GMT -5
Don't worry about any disagreeing Debbie, everyone has the right to their own opinion.. I wasn't going to bother with this thread either but thought I would.. Noone here knows this man personally to start any type of arguements about him to say he did it or didn't.. Doesn't matter if he is a father or not, how many cases have been brought out about parents molesting their children.. It is downright sickening.. Everyone here believes in Cher don't they? She knew there's something wrong with him and she does know him personally and I'm not going by what Cher says just cuz I love her but she is a very smart lady, which we all know..
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Post by Harmony86 on Jun 15, 2005 12:48:08 GMT -5
I, too, tried to stay away from this topic...'cause I knew it was going to bring on some disagreements/controversy. But, I think we all respect each other enough to atleast agree to disagree. As far as I know, there was never any evidence of MJ actually providing alcohol to any children...I think that was just an accusation against him. It's sad that the media can make it appear to be all true whether it is or not, and the majority of the public believes whatever is televised or put into print. I mean, think about the countless times that Cher has been portrayed or accused of numerous untrue things in the media. It's basically the same thing with MJ. I know it does seem odd to most of us that MJ would share his bed with children (basically strangers, for that matter), but I honestly beleive he didn't have bad intentions. Debbie- I think you made some really good points. I'm not saying there isn't something wrong with MJ...and Cher obviously knows him better than we ever will, but I even though I love Cher to death and know how smart she is, that doesn't mean every opinion or thought she has is what we should go by...know what I'm saying? Ok, I'm going to shut up now because I don't want to offend anyone...I hope I haven't/ Julie
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Post by Jan on Jun 16, 2005 17:59:09 GMT -5
Hey Guys..My modem is working again:) Yea..hope it lasts..Sorry know u missed my big mouth! LOL..NOT..anyways.I thought the Cher/Jackson thingy was w/the BABY out the window cos THAT I agree was INSANE AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEYOND..didn't know she thought he was guilty of the child molesting charge can u cut and paste the thread for that curious to read it..cos the baby out the window thing is different that was simply insane..I dunno saw so much news footage of the jury on this "recent" case and the family against him I still think was out for the $ they kept changing their story around. U know? No offense taken in difference of opinions..I like to know the honest opinions of ppl and not have ppl mask what they think that's what makes life and the board interesting..Now the OJ thing was an entirely diff ballgame..they had EVIDENCE up the wahzoo there..he was LET go I dunno why and to this day I can't believe he is walking around free..esp w/all the evidence against him! Whoa..I'll never forget Marcia Clark's opening statement alone and the familes on the last day when THAT verdict was read man!...My job had the tv on and we just sat there w/our mouths open..we couldn't believe he was set free..whoa!..Everyone was speechless..And in this recent jackson thing..I dunno I can't see certain ppl like Liz Taylor and Culkin (Jackson is the god father I hear to his kids!)standing behind a child molester..I just can't..I am not saying he don't need major psychological help as he THINKS by sharing his bed w/minors is right..HE does no doubt..but in this case I just feel the lady was out for his money..Sorry just an opinion..
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Post by Debelieves on Jun 16, 2005 18:31:33 GMT -5
Hey Jan - We do agree on some of this!
Dangling his baby over the balcony was completely insane. I remember one of his spokesman said "it wasn't Michael's intent to harm the baby by doing that." My question is, what was his intent by dangling his child in the air over a balcony?
But don't forget the Providence concert, where the little boy, Michael, wanted his first kiss from Cher - she said she'd give him one on the cheek - "unlike that other Michael, (she) didn't want to end up in jail!"
We definitely share the same viewpoint about this child's parents, it looks to me like there were alterior motives for them, unfortunately, if this poor kid really was telling the truth, and happens to have parents that practice extortion, I'm wondering what he feels like this week....
Deb
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Post by Elsa on Jun 17, 2005 9:43:01 GMT -5
I don't think that he's guilty. I can understand everything he's doing -- he relates to children more than adults, which is the same reason I wouldn't have a problem sharing a bed with an adult. I believe it's pretty bizarre that he would be so candid about sharing his bed with children, but I believe that he had totally innocent intents. He's said that he's not gay (which I believe) so then it wouldn't even make sense for him to molest boys. I think he's just trying to relive a childhood he didn't have. YES he's weird, YES he needs psychological help, but that doesn't mean that he's out to ruin little boys' lives.
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Post by Jan on Jun 17, 2005 19:10:43 GMT -5
I agree 100% w/ya Elsa..I'll tell ya one of the tribute tours I think it was that i saw w/him live..when they showed those clips of the MEGA MEGA charity work he does.>NO WAY would someone like THAT HARM and physically hurt a child no way jose..plus the interview way back w/Barbara Walters where they showed the hospital beds at Neverland and again showed the mega charity work he did..Harm a child? Never..I think although rich he had a real real sad childhood..used to follow him a lot in the 80s..yea he was loaded but real unhappy and like Elsa said he innocently relates to children in a way yes he should NOT..I think elsa totally sees what I meant..thanks Elsa:) But yea I think the fact he THINKS it's OK is MEGA wrong and he definitely needs help in that sense and the baby dangling..well that made me furious..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bigtime! ..And again the certain celebs supporting him in this case (the recent one..no way is he guilty..no way..)and on the other extreme saw child star interview w/ oh god forgot his name..not M Culkin but Something feldman is it Cory Feldman maybe? He badmouthed Michael so but seemed and appeared that he had mega falling out w/him and that's the ONLY reason HE betrayed him cos of the fall out..for whatever reason..but in THIS case most ppl celeb wise appear to NOT think he was guilty in this case..and the fact the atty on the news the other nite claimed he was not gonna fight this too made me wonder re: the decision..he probably knows he lost this time he will again..but YES I think he has problems..just because he's innocent don't mean he does not need help for stuff he's doin that he thinks is right..I know I would (not based on this stuff)want my kid in his bed! lol..u know what I mean..but HARM a child..nope..don't buy it..he has MEGA MEGA bucks and ppl want it in any way they can..Look at Cosby's crap yrs back w/that girl..she later admitted she lied! ..Oh well..done w/ the jackson thing..I know ur like Oh god why was this thread started! LOL..but interesting to hear ppl's opinions..kinda interesting:) hope michael not reading all this! LOL
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