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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 7, 2007 15:30:49 GMT -5
I'm just gonna let you read the updated heading of the petition. I'm so pissed and fed up right now with the lack of support. I asked zilloins of times for people to sign it, spread the word, added zillions of people on myspace and cher fans, went all over the place on the internet, contacted media but not good enough. We should've had at least 4100 signatures by now. No matter what I tried, not enough people are interested in seeing cher in Vegas. I guess people lost interest in her since the farewell tour cuz she was gone for two years or people are just f**king lazy to sign a petitin that only take two seconds. If Caesar's Palace is going to refuse to announce the third act, then I want nothing with them. I didn't think asking peple to sign a d**n petition was too much to ask for but I guess it was. Right now, I cannot take this frustration anymore and I am just making myself very tired and sick trying to do this myself, as if people think one person can do it on her own. No one understands what I am going through. I'm just sick of this lack of enough support. I don't wanna interact with other Cher fans if they don't care about signing the petition or bring Cher back to us. The mods here are on their own. If we don't get 2000 signatures by the end of the month, I'm closing the petition and the myspace page. If you wanna keep supporting Cher in Vegas, that's fine but you're on your own. Lobby Caesar's in your own ways. I don't care how you do it. It's up to you. Here's the petition if you want to read the updated headline or sign the petition: www.petitiononline.com/cher2008/ |
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Post by JR007 on Jul 7, 2007 18:27:05 GMT -5
Just my own personal observation; Cher or Caesar's won't release any info, nor will they do a show just because of a petition. You could get 10 million signatures on that thing and it wouldn't matter. Cher will only do that show if she chooses to and the fans needs to respect that. As far as Caesars, they don't have any right to announce anything nor do they need to, unless a full blown contract, press has been okay'd. Just my thoughts, Johnny
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 7, 2007 20:56:53 GMT -5
well if a petition don't mean nothing to anyone then why do people still make and sign petitions?
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2007 16:52:36 GMT -5
I appreciate your efforts but I agree w/Johnny 110%..petitions (in this case and others)really mean nothing unfortunately..Also if u read Ericka's earlier post to u on another thread..that's another view as well why some didn't sign..but regardless it's not that her fans are lazy far from it..
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 9, 2007 0:14:54 GMT -5
that's funny, Jan.... now you're contradicting yourself when you were actually in support of the whole thing. If you thought the petition would do nothing, why'd you sign it? Doesn't anyone know the purposes of a petition (not just this one but any kind of petitons)?
Now you're changing your mind and decided that the petition is worthless? Didn't you just say you supported this completely when I first posted about the petition here?
I believe petitions have worked in the past so there's no reason why this one should not this time. People have won after starting a petition so I wouldn't call this petition meaning nothing. A petition is a document of proof that many people want something. It isn't just a crappy list of names because they have nothing better to do. According to the FAQ page at petitiononline.com, their petitions have had success so no, I don't agree. I don't agree that petitions mean nothing at all. The problem is people do not believe in petitions in general, not because they don't believe doing the petition for Cher will do anything. A petition is supposed to tell people how strongly the undersigned feel about an issue. The same with protests. An old school I went to did a huge protest because they didn't want a certain president for the university. They blocked access to the school, locked doors of buildings on campus so people couldn't get in, started a hunger strike and demanded day and night for a new president. Who won? The students!!! Democracy really does work. If not, then it wouldn't have been the majority of Americans who got Bush to be president. He was president because most of Americans voted for him. He didn't become president out of thin air.
Why isn't anyone on my side? Will it kill someone to be on my side for once???
I'm really surprised at you, Jan. First you supported this and now you don't.
Hey if no one is going to support me or those 1440 some people then we will go after Caesar's Palace about hiring Cher ourselves. The last thing we need is the lack of support. I intend to keep this up, one way or the other.
I got a message from someone at myspace and coincidentally, her name is also Jan and she wrote this to me:
"I don't get it, Cher has been around for a long time and her voice is exactly the same now as it was when she first started out as a gangly, skinny teenager, all elbows and knees. Now, she is a talented actress, brilliant singer, has a wonderful personality and sets out to help as many people as she can. All her shows throughout the world were sold out for her Farewell Tour and I am sure that were she to suddenly announce she was going to tour again, every seat in every venue would be sold out again. I think it is just the 'can't be bothered' attitude people tend to adopt when their idol disappears and is not seen or heard about through press or t.v. Cher will always be a brilliant performer and I am sure that she has appreciated your efforts. Jan"
Another person wrote this:
"Of course we support Cher !...I come from Germany...I guess I couldnt go to Vegas (cause the money).But thats absolutly no reason that i dont support the fact that she has to go to Veags.Of course i signed the petition.Then may that helps and that is just one reason....!Because if it works,I still try to come over.
We should do everythin to support her,cause If we wanna see her (and if its just in the news,.on tv...) we have to support her.Thats what a family is about..and I think Cher fans r very special cause its so easy to be a fan but so special to be a Cher fan!!!!!!!!"
People seem to be not understanding what they should really be asking themselves when signing the petition. The person should be asking themselves, "do I want to see Cher in Vegas?'' That's it. Not "can I afford it? Does Cher want to do it? I don't think she wants to so I won't sign it?" People have this attitude and try to complicate things. It is really not complicated. All you have to do is ask yourself, "do I want to see Cher in Vegas or do I want her to do Vegas and then if I can't go, I can see pics posted and talk with fans who did go about it." It seems to me some people do not want to sign it so they have to make it more complicated by asking more questions. There is only one question to ask yourself. No need to make it complicated. It's really simple.
The question is: "Do you want to see Cher?" OR "do you support Cher doing Vegas even if you cannot go so you can see Cher onstage from pictures and so you can talk with fans who can go about it?" That's it. No other questions asked.
The question is NOT: "Can I afford it?" "Can I travel that far?" "Does Cher want to do it?" We can't read Cher's mind. We don't know. But why did she tell Fox news she was doing it if she doesn't want to? Why are they taking this long if she does not want to do it? If she doesn't want to do it, we'd know about it about a year ago. Why? Nothing to work on. It is not logical to think that she does not want to do it then it is kept a secret this long. She doesn't want to do it but it's a secret. For what? No reason! There would be no band or dancers to hire, no crew to hire, no stage to build, no ticket pricing to figure out, no scheduling to work out. Nothing to work on. Why work on nothing then have us assume forever that she's doing it? Does it really make sense to wait this long if she is not? It makes no sense at all. To me, it seems that she is likely to do it because people who worked with her and are close to her mentioned on myspace that she is doing it. One said she's doing it so there's no need for a petition but I continued. It is also likely because there's a lot of details in the plan and Cher doesn't want to release any info yet til everything is done.
Many of us thought Bette Midler probably was not going to do it because she was also long rumored to do it without confirmation or official news. Guess what? She's doing it!
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Post by Jan on Jul 9, 2007 5:29:19 GMT -5
Sorry u took what I wrote as being contradictory it wasn't supposed to be..I just hear what both Johnny and Ericka were saying is what I meant..I never put my name to something just for the record that I don't want otherwise I wouldn't have signed it..Anyways..I definitely appreciate the efforts..Just know from other ppl's petition kinda stuff it usually does not work..
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Post by JR007 on Jul 9, 2007 9:13:23 GMT -5
Bottom line; Any career decision Cher makes will not be based on a "fan" created petition.
Her repuation and career is above that. Although, it's always nice to see someone in demand as she is.. The majority of fans don't even bother to sign things like that because they know it won't work and that it's a matter of what the artist ultimately decides on their own.
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 9, 2007 11:27:25 GMT -5
do you actually think I'm stupid and don't know that Cher will do whatever she wants, regardless of what her fans want? It seems that people do not understand why I started the petition so I'll explain. It's to let Cher and Caesar's Palace know how much we love Cher and how much we want her there. We are trying to let her know that we have not given up on her since the Farewell tour. This may give Cher a little "push on the back" to do Vegas. Then she might go, "oh, wow, those people still love me and miss me after the farewell tour. They still want me to perform!" Then it's up to her whether she wants to disappoint us or not. Surely, over a thousand of people will be very disappointed if we found out Cher is not doing Vegas after all the news we heard about it. Think about what's gonna happen if she doesn't do it after at leat a year of fans hoping that she would do it. I don't think Cher wants her fans to be devastated (and I can tell you right now from reading the comments on the petition, MANY people's dreams will be shattered!). She never disappointed us in her career so why would she do that right now? I updated the petition and made a point of what you should be asking yourself when signing the petition... Do you want to see Cher in Vegas, even if Cher decided she didn't want to? No one knows that she doesn't want to but people seem to think they know because she disappeared for two years. Besides, how do you know that it is Cher that is taking so long to announce the news? What about Caesar's Palace? What if they are the ones taking so long finishing up the deal before it's announced? The petition is directed to Caesar's Palace, not Cher though a lot of comments were directed to Cher but it is for Caesar's Palace, not Cher. Why? Because Cher has told Fox news she is doing it and because people she works with or used to work with said she is doing it. All they have to do is make it official and they're taking a long time in doing that. Why do you think Cher does not want to do it? Because she disappeared from the spotlight for two years? That don't mean nothing! She just wanted a break before she does other things and in case you didn't know, she is not retired from everything. She's obviously taking a break. She has said in a couple of interviews or more that she's not the type who likes to just plan. She'll just go "ok, let's do it" or "nah, don't wanna do it." Then she surprises us.... like a person popping out of a birthday cake! lol It's just like what Jan from myspace said. Since she disappeared, people took in the attitude that Cher is not doing anything, including Vegas so they have this, "can't be bothered" attitude and lose in faith in her even though a lot of Cher fans claim they did not lose faith.  With not enough support since the farewell tour, it's sad. It's like I said in a bulletin on myspace when I thanked Cher fans who did support me and the petition: "Well, I'm cool now and it's a new day! Ok, hot day but it's new lol. Just wanna thank to those who have been very faithful to me and Cher and who have been really supportive. I'm not saying names but I can't say that every Cher fan I know have been faithful or supportive and that's a crying shame. It's also a crying shame that now that Cher has been around and famous and popular for decades, still has the same voice and talent and sold out every show on her farewell tour and suddenly she disppear and people have the attitude that Cher is not worth counting on so they decided not to sign the petition, while having that attitude. I do want to thank those who have signed the petition especially if they are not able to go due to money or distance or other reasons. That shows a lot about how faithful you fans are no matter what. Even if you cannot go, you still signed the petition because you still believe in her and still want her to do it even if you cannot go see her. Maybe we'll take pics and post them for you so you won't miss a thing!!! Thanks to those fans who have been very faithful and cool about this. Just wish more people would cut the attitude about Cher not doing anything just because she "disappeared" or just because she hated Vegas in the past or just because she went on for 40 years and is tired. How did she go on for a farewell tour for 3 years anyhow?? Unbelieveable to see this happening after at least four decades of popular hits with Sonny and herself only, and her legacy. Some loyal fans of Cher who signed the petition (whether they can go or not) cannot understand why this is happening and I can't understand it either. All I was asking was whether or not Cher had their support for her to do Vegas, not whether or not they think she will do it or whether they can afford it or make it. It's a crying shame to see so many fans losing support and faith in Cher just because she "disappeared." I know she hasn't been around much since the farewell tour but that doesn't mean she is about to lose my support or the support of over 1430 fans! She still has our support, even if she disappeared for two years. WE, AS FAITHFUL FANS, LOVE YOU SO MUCH AND WILL SEE YOU IN VEGAS IN 2008!! Thanks again and keep on "believing"!" I believe in petitions. A petition was started when fans wanted Star Trek to return for the third season and it worked. People voted for a law in California and signed a petition and Gov. Schwarzenegger signed into law. NOt sure what it is, it's some kind of code. If a petition isn't enough, people from myspace were willing to go further such as a rally. Still discussing ideas right now. So I wasn't about to give up as you can see. I'm really disappointed in a lot of Cher fans. Even if you don't think it will work, would it kill anyone to TRY? An effort do count. If Cher knows that we are not trying, she and Caesar's will know that people can't be bothered and do not wanna try because they're not supportive enough. I do realize the possibility of this not working but that didn't stop me from trying. It's just like trying out new food. You look at the food and you don't think it will taste good. It's a nasty appearances but you try it anyway and it turned out to be the best thing you ever tasted! You judge something by how things look (cher disappearing, hating Vegas before and being tired after 40 years) so you decide because the food looks bad, you decide not to try it (you decide not to even bother signing the petition). You wouldn't have an idea what you're missing! Other people try the food (other people sign the petition) and the food is actually wonderful (the petition actually worked and Cher does Vegas) and you'll go, "oh darn why didn't I try that food, it seems wonderful (or sign that petition, it worked)!" If it doesn't work, you'll know you tried (or you'll know you didn't die because the food's at least not poisoned!). |
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Post by Susanelizabeth28 on Jul 10, 2007 1:55:40 GMT -5
well if a petition don't mean nothing to anyone then why do people still make and sign petitions? Petitions do mean something when trying to change minds, but in this case Ceasar's is well aware of the drawing power of booking Cher and Cher is well aware of how many fans she has. Do we even know why Cher was not already announced? There may be circumstances that are of a personal nature and have nothing to do with an actual booking decision. |
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Post by Jan on Jul 10, 2007 4:56:39 GMT -5
And like other fans (and myself)said on other sites..Cher just lost a dear friend and co worker of so many yrs..at such a young age..I am sure it's the furthest thing from her mind now..It will happen when it happens
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Post by JR007 on Jul 10, 2007 9:31:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure all parties involved already know this without a petition. You'd probably be really surprised what goes on behind the scenes. Cher has known for years how much her fans love her and that a show at Caesars would be a HUGE success.. I still find a lot of this obsessive. But then again, thats what die-hard fans do best.. Lets all hope that Caesars becomes a reality. Much love, Johnny
You wrote; <<It seems that people do not understand why I started the petition so I'll explain. It's to let Cher and Caesar's Palace know how much we love Cher and how much we want her there.>>
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 10, 2007 19:51:22 GMT -5
Susan! Where ya been?? In case you didn't see, Jan and I asked if you could possibly make the post about the petition (not this one) a sticky. If not, well I got a banner about it anyway. To answer your question about why it wasn't already announced, I think Cher and the coloseum were probably just still trying to work out details such as scheduling, hiring the band and dancers blah blah blah and did not want to announce anything til everything is done. Bette Midler took a long time too and she was finally announced to be an act there and it was all a done deal. You never know! I think the question was also why did Bette Midler also take so long before she was announced to play Vegas?
Jan, I think you're right. I was afraid that the decision to do it may be delayed because of the death of Patti.
Johnny, as for being obsessive, you're right, most loyal fans are so let us be obsessive as we want. I could care less what you think of me or other loyal fans.
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Post by dar106 on Jul 10, 2007 20:23:46 GMT -5
Janet, that is one thing I always liked about you, you look at all viewpoints and respect peoples views even if they differ from yours.
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Post by bkri1977 on Jul 10, 2007 23:32:34 GMT -5
"can't be bothered attitude?'. that really is the funniest thing i have ever read. while it may describe some fans, it does not in any way describe me or my close cher friends. speaking for myself, other than my parents, there isn't a person on this earth i love more. just because someone doesn't sign a petition does not mean that they can't be bothered or aren't true fans. its seems like in your posts, that's what you allude to, and its quite bothersome. 'do i want cher to do it?' - well, there are many things i want her to do, but the top of that list is what she herself wants to do. i have no desire to sign something saying, 'i want you to do this.', without knowing the reasons why such a thing is not currently happening with her.
many people respect your position, all we ask is that you respect the people who aren't signing, not hinting that they might not be 'true fans' or 'losing faith' or 'not caring'. no one in this world can ever say any of those things while referring to me. in many ways, she's my heart, my strength. deciding whether or not to sign a petition is not indicative of the kind of fan they are, or how they feel about her.
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 11, 2007 0:48:11 GMT -5
"can't be bothered attitude?'. that really is the funniest thing i have ever read. while it may describe some fans, it does not in any way describe me or my close cher friends. speaking for myself, other than my parents, there isn't a person on this earth i love more. just because someone doesn't sign a petition does not mean that they can't be bothered or aren't true fans. its seems like in your posts, that's what you allude to, and its quite bothersome. 'do i want cher to do it?' - well, there are many things i want her to do, but the top of that list is what she herself wants to do. i have no desire to sign something saying, 'i want you to do this.', without knowing the reasons why such a thing is not currently happening with her. many people respect your position, all we ask is that you respect the people who aren't signing, not hinting that they might not be 'true fans' or 'losing faith' or 'not caring'. no one in this world can ever say any of those things while referring to me. in many ways, she's my heart, my strength. deciding whether or not to sign a petition is not indicative of the kind of fan they are, or how they feel about her. yep whatever! They're all saying that they love Cher, aren't bored with her and are loyal to her but don't wanna see her in Vegas. Yep, that's a being a true fan! You seem to know everything about what Cher wanna do. Tell me, does she want to quit show business and become a lawyer or what? Well, I don't know what Cher wants to do because I failed mind reading classes in high school but I assumed you passed so maybe you can read Cher's mind and tell me what exactly she wants to do? Has it ever occured to anyone that there's no official announcements because maybe the deal is not final yet and they do not want to release any details that aren't completely discussed yet? Maybe she has not gotten everything all set yet? Bette Midler waited til everything was set til it was final then made the announcement. Bette Midler was also rumored for a long time to do Caesar's and she's doing it. What makes her different from Cher? For whatever reason, people seem to overlook it when I explain that you can't plan a Vegas show overnight. It takes time. Don't you think that it's logical to announce by now that she is not doing it if it was true? There would be no band or dancers to hire, no crew to hire, no stage to build, no setlist to plan, no scheduling to work out, no costumes or wigs to make etc... Cher would be working on nothing and we would be discussing over nothing. If Cher is not doing it and she doesn't announce that she is not doing it, we will be discussing the rumor as long as we live!!! Cher should know by now along with spokesperson, Liz Rosenberg, Warner Bros and Caesar's Palace how widespread the rumor is and will say something. Look how long this rumor is going on. It's going to keep going and going and going and going until it is either denied or confirmed. There are evidences that she is doing it, which some fans refuse to listen to and if it's not because they do not want to see Cher, then I don't know why they choose to ignore the evidences and the words from certain people who knows Cher. I don't think those people would lie including Mark Schulman and Marcia Tessling who worked with Cher in the past. I know you guys do not want to be disappointed if you are actually true fans. But doesn't it feel nice to at least talk about the possibility that Cher might do Vegas and think about it? Isn't it exciting to anyone about that possibility. I believe in it and if it's not true, then fine. I'm not gonna lay down and die over it. I'm happy because of the fact that it is possible and that possibility was supported by evidences and words from people who worked with Cher. I am staying positive about this because I am a loyal fan who believes in her. A lot of people like you wants to be negative and expect to be disappointed which is a real shame. Being a true Cher fan to me, means believing in Cher, even if the result is disappointment in the end. THINK POSITIVE!!!!!! |
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Post by bkri1977 on Jul 11, 2007 1:11:16 GMT -5
i want to be negative? sorry, you have no idea at all who i am. her career at this point, isn't tied up in a vegas rumor (or truth). maybe fans would rather see her do other things. i'm not a mind reader, and neither are you. try reading my words instead of coming to conclusions. i'm really not one to get very angry on message boards, but seriously, insinuate again that i'm not a true fan simply because i didn't sign your petition, and you'll have a real problem with me. i could sit here and pick your reply apart, but honestly, i'd rather spend my time watching Moonstruck or listening to Stars. you know, stuff that 'true fans' do.  sorry to the other members for the bit of negativity in this thread on my part. i come here to celebrate and enjoy this amazing woman, and i'm getting a bit tired of posts on every forum i go to insinuating that every person who doesn't sign isn't a real fan, is negative, etc. Think positive about your fellow cher fans! just because they don't share your view of where you'd like her career to go, doesn't mean we love her any less. |
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 11, 2007 2:21:10 GMT -5
whatever, Ericka. Think and deny all you want.
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Post by Jan on Jul 11, 2007 5:39:32 GMT -5
Thx Dorothy..Cher boards would be boring if everyone thought the same thing..lol..
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Post by dar106 on Jul 11, 2007 8:28:29 GMT -5
Ericka, do not be sorry, I had the same problem with DavidBarryFan on another site. I am choosing to ignore. We all know who the real fans are here.
Dorothy
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Post by JR007 on Jul 11, 2007 9:11:16 GMT -5
Obsessive fans are GREAT! I love my obsessed fans, but I keep them at a distance (as should be). I would never allow someone like that into my inner circle.. It's dangerous. There's a huge difference in a healthy fan and an "over-the-top" crazed fan. Both are fantastic to have but need to be kept in the right place.. Just my opinion. Cher is lucky enough to have so many different types of fans from all different walks of life... Makes for a very interesting career and life for her. I'm sure she would agree to the pros and cons as well. Much love, Johnny Roxx
DavidBarryfan wrote;"Johnny, as for being obsessive, you're right, most loyal fans are so let us be obsessive as we want. I could care less what you think of me or other loyal fans."
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Post by bkri1977 on Jul 11, 2007 11:02:22 GMT -5
Ericka, do not be sorry, I had the same problem with DavidBarryFan on another site. I am choosing to ignore. We all know who the real fans are here. Dorothy oh, i'm never sorry. i know who i am, and i know how my cher family and i feel towards our girl, and that's all i care about! |
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Post by Jan on Jul 11, 2007 17:25:16 GMT -5
Amen Ericka:) My fellow Yankees and HOS buddy as well:) |
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Post by dar106 on Jul 11, 2007 19:12:55 GMT -5
Erika, I was referring to this comment you made
"sorry to the other members for the bit of negativity ", you don't need to be sorry for that because she is attacking you and every other Cher fan. That is why I am ignoring her remarks. I don't think you were negative at all. You said it well.
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Post by davidbarryfan on Jul 12, 2007 1:26:39 GMT -5
The important thing is the petition is still going on and I'm the only one who can control that so there's nothing on this thread that will change my mind. So how about cutting the crap and dropping it? Want me to respect your opinions? Well, I don't agree with them and people have crappy excuses not to support Cher but whatever. I am a true fan and would love to see Cher. People say they are true fans and don't support Cher. I just think that's weird. But then, there's a lot of weird people in the world.
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Post by Jan on Jul 12, 2007 5:29:00 GMT -5
DavidBarry fan..ppl respect your idea..we do..but not everyone agrees w/it..it does not mean ppl are not supportive nor that they don't want to see Cher in Vegas..I know u don't understand what we're trying to say..but u gotta see in the cher world and outside the cher world..ppl can "agree to disagree as they say"..I have a lot of differences w/ ppl ..even friends in the Cher world over certain things and even outside Cher things and Cher fans ppl in general have the right to disagree my friend..It's not a bad thing and does not make them bad ppl..Ex: At work they all hate Rosie O'Donnell from certain things and ways she portrays herself..I am however and always have been a huge fan (LIKE MICHAEL!)..and I go on and on to them how much $$$$ and zillions she raised for charities and donated to charities (incl breast cancer which my cousin died of at a very young age)and many others..just because she's vocal and voices her opinion ppl so are ready to bash her and forget all the good she's done in this world for ppl..But that's just "one of many"...Anyways...hope u understand..Pls don't judge the ones that didn't sign your petition..Many of them are my personal friends that I know for yrs and yrs and they're good ppl and longtime fans who support Cher to the max..and then some! Thanks
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Post by bkri1977 on Jul 12, 2007 11:32:16 GMT -5
Erika, I was referring to this comment you made "sorry to the other members for the bit of negativity ", you don't need to be sorry for that because she is attacking you and every other Cher fan. That is why I am ignoring her remarks. I don't think you were negative at all. You said it well. oh! ok. point taken, my friend!  |
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Post by bkri1977 on Jul 12, 2007 11:34:17 GMT -5
The important thing is the petition is still going on and I'm the only one who can control that so there's nothing on this thread that will change my mind. So how about cutting the crap and dropping it? Want me to respect your opinions? Well, I don't agree with them and people have crappy excuses not to support Cher but whatever. I am a true fan and would love to see Cher. People say they are true fans and don't support Cher. I just think that's weird. But then, there's a lot of weird people in the world. dude, you're the one that's posting about it everywhere, trying to get people to change their minds about signing. pot. kettle. black. and amen to your last comment. |
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With not enough support since the farewell tour, it's sad. It's like I said in a bulletin on myspace when I thanked Cher fans who did support me and the petition:
